After reading yet another super fly description on the UK page, I find myself in a search, "locally", for peccary. Anyone have any idea on where peccary can be found? (preferably separated from the living animal, cleaned, and dried)
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After reading yet another super fly description on the UK page, I find myself in a search, "locally", for peccary. Anyone have any idea on where peccary can be found? (preferably separated from the living animal, cleaned, and dried)
this what your looking for or do the British call something else Peccary? http://www.desertusa.com/magnov97/no..._collpecc.html
I would try taxidermists in the desert south west to find if they had scraps they could sell you. This site says he works on them. http://www.edwardstaxidermy.com/
Eric
Miss Betty: If you put Peccary into the FAOL search the 1st entry is Al Campbells ----
where there is pix of a Peccary barb being used on a fly. If that is what you are looking for PM me & I will send you some.
Tim
Chicago Fly Fishing Outfitters sell it.
This is a peccary ... http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d1...ey/peccary.jpg
Not something I'd want running around my back yard!
But, they do make beautiful flies ... http://ukflydressing.proboards.com/i...ay&thread=6199
You do know the guys in the UK are importing the hair, don't you. The critter is an American, a real native. When proper cooked over hickory for a long period of time, taste better than chicken.
That's an under statement! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Jesse
Eric had a good idea, I would call a local taxidermist or check with your friends at BPS and see if they don't know someone locally who may have mounted a pig. It's not that fair from KS to TX. I vaguely remember my granddad showing us some javelinas on my first trip to the LA-TX border back around 1950 or so.
Betty, You can wait til Trav and Ladyfisher go back to Tucson this fall and have them watch for roadkill for you. Jim
Betty,
Just so you know, the Peccary or Javalena, is an animal found in the sw US. I've been using the hairs for years and toyed with the idea of marketing the hair under the name of 'DST Quills'. That stands for 'Dyed, Specially Treated'. In fact, several years ago I offered samples to the fly tying community here on FAOL and elsewhere. About 50 tyers tried the material and the feedback was excellent. However, I did not follow-up and try to market the material. You can see some of the flies I've tied using these quills on this page:
http://www.danica.com/flytier/apodell/apodell.htm
If you'd like some, send me a PM with snail mail info.
Allan
Had a buddy give me a "raw" javalena skin. I was much younger and thought that it would be cool to tan it... Nawhhh... a really bad idea...
If you want javalena, just pay for the few hairs/bristles that you actually need!
et ergo ... my note in the original post!!! " (preferably separated from the living animal, cleaned, and dried) " LOL!!!
The zoo in Wichita has some, but I think my membership may be revoked if one went "missing".
I just saw this now - send me your snail mail address via PM for some goodies :) Not much, but it will get you started...
-ZugbugPete
We actually saw a few last winter in our community - they are mostly nocturnal and can do real damage. I remember the ones Allan Podell had here on FAOL as well. Betty should have enough to experiment with by now.....<G>
FWIW, this is a great shop for tyers.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbyg
Deanna, I'm so excited!!
Not to put a damper on the party, but aren't the Europeans using a different species of javelina from the collared peccary of SW US fame?
Ed
Ed,
Here's sopmething written about the animal:
"Peccaries (also known as Javelinas, by the Portuguese name javali and Spanish jabal? or pecar?) are medium-sized mammals of the family Tayassuidae. They are found in the southwestern area of North America and throughout Central and South America. Peccaries usually measure between 90 to 130 centimetres (3.0 to 4.3 ft), and a full-grown adult usually weighs between about 20 to 40 kilograms (44 to 88 lb).
People often confuse peccaries, which are found in the Americas, with pigs which originated in Afro-Eurasia, especially since some domestic pigs brought by European settlers have escaped over the years and now run wild as razorback hogs in many parts of the United States.
Peccaries are medium-sized animals, with a strong superficial resemblance to pigs. Like pigs, they have a snout ending in a cartilagenous disc, and eyes that are small relative to their head. Also like pigs, they use only the middle two digits for walking, although, unlike pigs, the other toes may be altogether absent. Their stomach is non-ruminating, although it has three chambers, and is more complex than that of pigs.
Peccaries are omnivores, and will eat small animals, although their preferred food consists of roots, grass, seeds, and fruit. One of the ways to tell apart pigs and peccaries is the shape of the canine tooth, or tusk. In European pigs the tusk is long and curves around on itself, whereas in peccaries, the tusk is short and straight. The jaws and tusks of peccaries are adapted for crushing hard seeds and slicing into plant roots, and they also use their tusks for defending against predators.
Peccaries are social animals, and often form herds. Over 100 individuals have been recorded for a single herd of white-lipped peccaries, but collared and Chacoan peccaries usually form smaller groups."
http://www.texasshoot-out.com/images/javelina.jpg
Hope this helps.
Allan
Very interesting. I would like to try that material out one day too.
Allan,
There are still several species of peccaries. The one common to the US is the collared peccary. I seem to remember that some Europeans were using another species, but I don't remember for sure, or which one it is they might be using. Hence my comment & question were posed. If someone has some collared peccary hair, they could try it and see if gives the same effect as I have seen on sites such as the UK Fly Dressing forum.
Thanks,
Ed
Ed,
Perhaps there are several species of peccary but the information I've read identify the peccary/javalina as being native to the Americas, not Europe.
A javelina is not a pig
Despite A&M-Kingsville's nicknames of "The Hoggies," a javelina is not a pig, a feral hog or a wild boar. Although similar in appearance to a pig, it is a collared peccary. Along evolutionary lines, a collared peccary is a distant relative of wild pigs and hippos. Scientists know it as Pecari tajacu.**
Biologists say the confusion probably started as soon as European explorers arrived in the New World. The javelina is native to the Western Hemisphere, while true pigs developed in the Eastern Hemisphere.
Distinguishing characteristics include size. Javelinas are small and compact, weighing from 30 to 55 pounds, while adult feral hogs can reach 100 pounds or more. Javelinas are a grizzled brown and black with a white band of coarse hair, its "collar," around the neck. Feral hogs come in a variety of colors and combinations of colors. Less obvious differences include that the javelina has four-hoofed toes on its front feet, but only three-hoofed toes on the hind feet, where the outer dewclaw present on a pig is absent in javelinas. Javelinas also have shorter tails and their canine teeth or "tusks" grow vertically rather than away from the face.
Where do javelinas live?
Javelinas are commonly found in dense thickets of prickly pear, chaparral, scrub oak, or guajillo in the brush country south of San Antonio, and over wide areas of the Edwards Plateau and the Trans-Pecos. They can also be found throughout Mexico and Central America and well into South America. They travel in bands ranging from a few animals to as many as 45. They have a musk gland on their rump which gives them their characteristic smell. This gland is used to mark their "territory" and allows individuals to keep in contact with the herd.
What do javelinas eat?
Studies show that although javelinas are omnivorous, that prickly pear cactus provides up to half their diet while also fulfilling most of its water requirement. Javelinas supplement this diet with green forbs, vines, grasses, mesquite beans, sotol, lechugilla and other succulent vegetation.
References
** Schmidly, D.J. 2004. The Mammals of Texas. University of Texas Press, Austin, Texas.
Maybe you have a reference that states something else?
Allan
Betty,
Few years ago my son harvested a couple of Tennessee boars on a hunt and he saved me some hair. I used it when tying foam ants as "legs." Tied in two pieces midway on hook shank and snugged 'em up tight so they'd flare out some when they were between the three foam segments, then cut to length so they were just short of hook eye and barb along each side. trouts seemed to like 'em just fine. orange post on top for old tired eyes to see. Send me snail mail address and I'll send you a few samples. Suspect they'd work just fine for warm water finsters too.
Grn Mt Man