Interested in tying Comparadun Patterns?? Good Hair.

Hi,

Just thought I would share something.

Tying comparadun patterns really requires good deer hair. Please don't be fooled by those who would sell you short deer hair as that alone is not sufficient. In fact, some of the best deer hair for comparaduns comes from LONG DEER HAIR.

Below are two photos of my BEST comparadun deer hair patch. As you can see, the fibers are quite long, but the TIPS (the dark colored tips) are short. That is the key to good comparadun hair. The second photo (focused on my hand - not the hair - sorry about that) shows the tips on the same patch of hair. Third photo is the use of this very same hair.

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Thanks Byron. Very informative advice and photos. After admiring your tying posts on FAOL, I will take all the advice you've got and USE it.
Big fan,
John

Thanks. Any ability I have is due, in large measure, I think, to using good materials.

Did you buy that on the mainland? I've been lucky enough to get out to Blue Ribbon and talk to the folks there, Craig Mathews included, about picking some good deer hair for sparkle duns.

Regards,
Scott

It is from Blue Ribbon Flies. I got it last fall when the hides were being harvested and they had a good supply of good hair.

Thanks for the post again Byron. The photos and instruction on quality deer hair will likely save me a lot of trial and error in finding the right "type" of hair.

Greg

The selection of deer or elk hair is critical. Here is a primer I wrote for another site.

All deer and elk hair have a hollow body section and a solid tip section. The hair also undergoes a color change from darker to lighter to darker from bottom to top. Most of the time, the solid tips are of a darker color that are distal to the lighter section. For comparaduns, you want hair with short and even tips. By even tips, I mean the solid tips section of of equal lengths. When you stack hair with even tips, the color break from the lighter hollow section to the darker solid section will occur at the same place on all the hair and the wing of the comparadun will look even. If the tip sections are not of equal length, the hair may be of equal length when tied in, but the wing will look ragged because the color break point looks ragged.

Secondly, try to get hair which not only has even tips but even length. This is difficult to do, but when you do, the tips are even on the fur. With this type of hair, you can tie the flies without stacking because the tips will be lined up on the fur and the tips will be even when cut from the fur. When examining hair insert a piece of white paper behind the hair to examine the dark tips. I take a 3X5 card with me for this purpose.

Thirdly, the hair must be resilient, and flair evenly when compressed. Do not buy hair that will crack when compressed. You can check this by taking the hair out of the package and pinching the hair at the point you are going to tie it in. I pinch it between my index finger and my thumbnail. It should flair evenly and the hair should not break. Hair that is bleached or dyed can become brittle, so always check bleached or dyed hair for brittleness.

Finally, the best hair has minimal under fur. The less under fur, the less you need to remove before tying the the hair. This is a minor point but I mention it for completeness.

I never buy hair that I cannot examine. Hair should not generally be bought sight unseen unless the seller knows exactly what you want and will preselect it for you. In every fly shop that I visit, I look at their hair selection. Whenever I find an excellent piece of hair, I'll buy it because a lot of it is not very good.

For SMALL flies, it is CRITICAL to get hair with SHORT TIPS. If the tips are long, most or all of the hair you tie in will be solid and not hollow.

Here are some photos of two patches of excellent comparadun hair.

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This shows two patches of dark and light hair side by side. Although the hair may look long on this close up, it is actually about an inch from skin to tip.


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This is a closer view of the dark hair for better contrast to see the even tips and the coloration changes. Notice that the hair shafts that are on the same relative "row" of the pelt line up so that the tips and lighter bands are even across the row.

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Here is a close up of the tips taken with white paper to bring out the tips. Notice how you can now see the very short dark colored solid tips above the lighter banded section. The length of the hair is only about an inch so that the solid tips are very short although they may look longer on this macro photo. Notice how even the tips are across the white background. This is what you are looking for.

Wow! That's what I call a "lesson". Thanks Silver.

This is why I love FAOL! I've only been playing at fly fishing/tying/rod building for about 4 years (since I retired.) The knowledge freely shared here is worth everything to a rookie like me! Byron, your ties inspire me, and the discussion/feedback, like Silver's here, is priceless!

Thanks for sharing!

Cliff

You also need to know that comparadun hair is not good for elk hair caddis or for any "down wing" pattens. Hair that flairs gives you a high wing profile and when you see a caddis on the water, it has it's wings folded flat over it's back. So you want hair that does NOT flair as much.

Al Troth, when he first published his EHC, noted that it should be tied with hair that did not flair, but that fact has been lost on fly tiers. This type of hair is difficult to find especially for smaller patterns and now virtually every EHC now is tied with a prominent flaired wing. Commercially tied flies tend to have high profile wings because that is the hair they have to tie the flies.

Larry Solomon and Eric Leiser's "The Caddis and the Angler" published in 1977 has the original elk hair caddis pattern on pg 200. You will notice that the hair on the pattern is tent like and does NOT flair much.


Al Troth's original EHC from "The Caddis and the Angler. Notice the flatter tent like wing profile like a natural caddis.




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Here are are two EHC patterns tied close to the original. The first is closer to the original Al Troth pattern.

http://www.flyfishersrepublic.com/pa...k-hair-caddis/

http://www.charliesflyboxinc.com/fly...fm?parentID=44

Compare the Cabela's EHC:

http://www.cabelas.com/dry-flies-tan...:referralID=NA


I label the hide side of my hair with the pattern like "EHC", or "Comparadun, or "Stimulator", and the size of the pattern that the hair is for. For example, I have size 14-16 comparadun, and size 18-20 comparadun hair. Since the black tips must be very very short on even on size 18-20 comparadun hair and this hair is extremely rare, I never use my small fly comparadun hair for larger flies. It is simply too precious to waste.

I want to emphasize the importance of a white background when sorting hair. I said to carry a 3x5 card to use as a background. It also works for grading hackle. I simply write what I want to buy on the lined side of the card and use the plain blank side to sort hair.

Here's another tip - Even I don't always carry a 3/5 card with me all the time. But I do carry a white business card in my wallet. I use the back to examine the tips of deer and elk hair.

Good points Silver. Ever notice that perhaps most elk hair Caddis flies are tied with deer hair??? Even Hans Weilenmann uses deer hair on his CDC and Elk..........
I prefer elk hair for Caddis.

Thanks Silver for the excellent instruction and advice. When I went looking for deer hair today I didn't know exactly what I was looking for but none of it looked good for comparaduns when I remembered what Byron's pictures looked like. Your description will definitely help me avoid buying multiple patches of "wrong" hair. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Silver Creek

You also need to know that comparadun hair is not good for elk hair caddis or for any "down wing" pattens. Hair that flairs gives you a high wing profile and when you see a caddis on the water, it has it's wings folded flat over it's back. So you want hair that does NOT flair as much.

Al Troth, when he first published his EHC, noted that it should be tied with hair that did not flair, but that fact has been lost on fly tiers. This type of hair is difficult to find especially for smaller patterns and now virtually every EHC now is tied with a prominent flaired wing. Commercially tied flies tend to have high profile wings because that is the hair they have to tie the flies.

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Silver,

I have to admit that I tie CDC & Elk with hair that flairs, producing the higher/wider wing profile. Although it may go against the spirit of the original EHC, maybe it 's viewed by the trout as an emerger or possibly a spent wing where the profile would be a bit wider than an adult. Not sure, but they have proven effective throughout a caddis hatch and are a bit easier for me to see.

Regards,
Scott

btw,
nice explanation on do's/don'ts of deer/elk hair