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I have always had trouble with Elk Hair Caddis wings in that they alwasy spin around the shank of the hook. I lay a base of thread down first, wrap around just the hair a couple times and wind through the butts a couple times yet the hair will still spin from time to time. Any suggestions?
Use less thread wraps. Try not laying a base of thread. Use one loose wrap to gather the hair, apply tension as you wrap a second time, and really torque down on the third, all in the SAME spot. Wrap 2 or 3 times through the butts, whip and clip.
If you are still having trouble maybe a drop of super glue after your whip finish in the butts will help.
HHhhmmm...Flyrodde...I would have started this way....Lay a base of thread ..then.."Use one loose wrap to gather the hair"..etc....etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyrodde
Isn't it easier to spin on a bare hook :shock:...therefore not what we're after here.
maybe this might help try using instead of elk hair, get some snowshoe rabbit hair and tie it in the same way its softer and will hold better
You can use the pinch method. Here is a link. http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flyt...te/part33.html See Step 3. If you have a Skip Morris book, he usually includes an illustration of the pinch method.
You can also sub poly yard for the elk hair and brush it out. I learned that from one of Al Beatty's fly tying tapes.
I second using the pinch method. Hold the elk hair firmly together as you make the loose turns with the thread and when you do pull the thread tight, pull straight down while still holding the material tightly together. Works for me.
Pinch or whatever you call it; I never let go of the elk hair until I'm ready to whip finish the head. Four wraps to secure and flair; move thread off of hair and on to area behind eye; four whip finish wraps.
I never have any issues. A lot of beginning tyers let go of materials too soon causing the stuff to spin around the hook as they wrap the thread. You can make one wrap to secure, let go, take a look and if it's OK; grab it again and add any additional wraps required.
At least that's what I do.
I also use 6/0 thread on my EWC so I can make tighter wraps with the stronger thread.
For me it doesn't really matter if the hook is bare or not. Too many wraps around the hook shank can create slack in the thread making it easy for the wraps to loosen and let the wing spin.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducksterman
In essence you are "spinning" the wing. Just on the top of the shank only. When I "Spin" hair, I gather it, tighten it then let go of it while I continue wrapping and tighening. For the wings I never let go of the tips until I wrap through the butts tightly. then I gather the butts, wrap once under them, snip them, and whip under the butts. Since I started tying wings that way, I have never had one spin on me.
If you are still having problems, super glue works. It's just one extra step, but it really holds things where you want them.
Here is my method. Three wraps light tension, while holding the hair. On the last wrap pull up with more tension. A couple more wraps with moderate tension, then pull back the butts and wrap under them with moderate tension. Trim butts, whip finish, done.
Thanks for all of the advice! I will have to try some of these techniques out next time I tie an elk hair caddis.
Take one turn around the hair only first. the second turn, pull the thread tight around the hair and hook and in front of the first. Take a third very tight turn in front of the second. Take a fourth tight turn at the second turn, whip and you're done. This way, you are tying a bundle of hair to the hook and it can't spin unless you put a turn behind the first.
tie in the wing like Hans does on his CDC & Elk
http://www.danica.com/flytier/movies/fl ... cdcelk.wmv
The "up and under" as described by Ronn.
First loop goes around the hair only (above the hook). Second, third..... around the hair and hook.