Thanks for the post, Whitewolf... As a new guy to the hobby, I definitely appreciate bugman's generosity & will put his flies to good use. I see the entire forum that you have all created here in the same light, really. I've learned quite a bit from reading the forum & feel the place is full of people generously sharing their knowledge and experience. My other hobbies have made me a big believer in 'paying it forward' & I look forward to the day I can pass on the favor to another newbie...