Thanks Eric,,,
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Thanks Eric,,,
Lets put all of the personal beliefs and ploitical poo aside. Pray for the kids and their families. They need our help not our scorn. :(
Vulture6 Posted: Feb 14, 2007 3:06 pm Post subject:
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crook33 wrote:
Let's for the fun of of it sustitute the word "car" in place of gun in the argument.
A teenager had been shot and killed while attending a party in West suburban Chicago. Apparently during the party the teens were "playing" with this CAR and "the CAR went off". Can you believe it"""" THE CAR WENT OFF
Nope, doesn't seem to work quite the same way...
Try a little harder vulture6. I think you'll be able to see the similarities. :?: Which of the two kills more people each year?
Just trying to lighten things up a bit.
Way too many teens die doing stupid stuff - playing with a loaded handgun, drinking, drag racing, trying to show off behind the wheel or anywhere else. I've got a 16 year old in the house now and I see a lot of stupid stuff tried by kids at the high school and the scout troop.
So yeah, there could be any number of articles that we could put up here listing stupid stuff kids do in cars (and adults too). Hasn't been that long since we lost a 15 year old girl here who was coming home from her boyfriend's house at 1 or 2 in the morning (no drivers license or even a learner's permit - just snuck out with the family car) and when the deputy tried to pull her over for speeding (55 in a 45 zone) she sped away at over 100 mph until she missed a turn. Then there are the stories of kids hotdogging around with friends riding in the back of their pick up trucks (not illegal in VA, BTW). It breaks your heart -- but kids (mostly) get training and education (and certification of a sorts) when it comes to cars, but virtually none when it comes to handguns.
In the Marines we didn't call it an "accidental discharge" it was a "negligent discharge". A little more appropriate. Now, the article didn't state anything about the ownership of the gun, whether it was illegally purchased or "borrowed" from one of the kid's parents. If it was a parent's gun, it should have been in a gunsafe or equipped with a trigger lock, with the ammo locked in a separate container. If it was owned by a parent for "home defense" then it still should have been inaccessible to the teens - besides, a pump 20 gauge shotgun loaded with birdshot works much better for home defense -- the shot doesn't penetrate walls and the sound of round being racked by the pump is a heck of a deterrent.
Hey, those guys in Idaho get OUR local news before we do here in Illinois. Thanks Eric for the "rest of the story".
There is NO such thing as " playing" with a handgun. I can't be convinced that ANYONE past the age of puberty can possibly ignore/be ignorant of the purpose of a handgun and the danger associated with it's misuse.It can KILL. Does ANYONE need to be "trained" to realize THAT.
Does COMMON SENSE have any input here at all? Do we actually have to LOCK our firearms in a safe to keep them out of the hands of ignoramuses. I own two handguns. Illinois doesn't require "training" to tell me that MY GUN CAN KILL SOMEONE. I purchased them for myself and my wife. Their sole purpose is our personal protection. I will use my weapon without the slightest hesitation if my life, her life,the life of anyone in my family and yes, even YOUR life is threatened. I practice due diligence in possession of these weapons. They are NOT readily available to just anyone who visits us.They are kept in a secure place and READILY available if needed. I can't imagine asking a perp for a few extra minutes while I "get my gun".
As for more regulations, I defy ANYONY to cite ONE regulation that is not already covered by the COMMON SENSE rule.
My regulation, aside from those already in force concerning felons and the mentally handicapped, DO NOT POINT GUN AT ANYONE UNLESS YOU INTEND TO SHOOT THEM. Oh, wait, that's common sense.
Mark
guys,,, I think I agree with almost everything up here. I am guilty of 'popping off' with my post though. I guess I have gotten cynical or something these days. I see so much on TV about kids, drugs, booze and guns. Sure, we are all sorry it happened. Damn shame. But, lets move on. Back to fly fishing, please. This stuff winds me up too. Need to think more about fishes and stuff. Thanks.
I didn't read everything in this post, My blood started to boil just reading a few of them. I know that most of us have "common sense." However, we now live in a world where there is NO common sense. The courts have set limits and precidents so common sense does not have to exist. That is one of the reasons why we have laws. But without education, no amount of laws, or threat of punishments will do a thing. Just because something seems to be common sense to one, doesn't mean it is to another.
I am not saying anything is right or wrong in this situation. I was raised around guns, I was shown what they could do. I was taught to be safe. Not everyone understands that. It is the same with everything. If you aren't shown you don't know. I once saw a person "lip" a bluefish. They didn't know, they found out quick not to do that again.
In my opinion, it doesn't matter how drunk, stoned, ripped, lit, fried, high, smashed, or hammered you are. If you have been taught about gun safety, you will be realitivly safe. Accidents do happen, even to sober people. But if a person, especially someone that is in awe, knows nothing about how to hold and handle a gun, check to see if it is loaded, how to unload safely if it is, and most importantly how to leave if it isn't a safe place to be, they will not be safe. The key to everything is knowledge. And without people to teach knowledge is lost.
I feel for anyone that has lost due to gun violence. But most of it could have been prevented if we did't turn a blind eye and a deaf ear to youth that learns from video game and the media. Instead of saying no, teach them why. Instead of saying saying because it's dangerous, show them what can happen. One accident shouldn't be burried, a life lost in vain. Use that life lost to save another by example. It works for drunk driving and drug abuse, why not use it to teach about guns. They are very much a part of our young society no matter how big our blinders may be.
I had thought to calm this string down but can not resist commenting on the fine preceeding opinion.
When I was a kid, my Dad sold his weatherby 300 mag, so his family could pay bills. I did not grow up hunting, only fishing. When I was about 30 I purchased a ruger over and under shotgun.
I only targeted CLAY pigeons. One shooting session I got carless and noticed the gun was pointed at my foot. I sold my beloved shotgun because I realized that it only takes ONE wrong move and that's it!
I know that a Hunter's Safety Course would have been important for me to pass BEFORE I bought the shotgun.
Doug
I lost a dear friend shortly after high school to a gun that when off by accident. never mind they were playing quick draw and had split a fith of whisky. God makes us but he don't make us smart. We ether learn from someone or on our own. looks like someone learned on thier own. it is a shame. But at least I did not sell them the gun. :( I did with my friend.
Rich