Thanks for the input everyone!
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Thanks for the input everyone!
Double surgeons works great for me. i dont have any problems with it plus it's fast and easy with great strength. nothing easier than two loops then pull tight.
-fresnoflyman
Kind of veering off a bit here but related to the subject. I only fish with furled leaders with a tippet ring. Therefore I never have a need for any tool, and I never have to tie a blood knot, a nail knot...etc. All done by hand and quick and easy. Heck you can even get by with just one knot. Improved clinch knot for tying tippet to tippet ring...and for tying on the fly. I have not much knowledge about other knots and don't need any. The heck with nylon tapered leaders. Furled the only way to go...just in my opinion. The only opinion I am an expert on. <grin> ...Meaning others may disagree and have their own opinion.
I like the simplicity of furled leaders with tippet rings.
Just fyi
Jim
According to who's measurements of knot strength???
What I dont understand, and Im the first to agree that a blood knot can be an absolute ***** to tie, is that in step three of Orvis's guide you...
"..close the second loop by bringing the tippet ( and the short end of heavier piece) thru the first loop".??
I might have 4-5 feet of tippet to have to drag thru that tiny loop...and thats NOT going to be a real PITA?????
I'll see your:
Blood knot
Surgeons Knot
Double Surgeons
Triple surgeons knot
and Orvis knot
And raise you:
A quad knot (four times through) and a quin knot( five times through).
Any bets?:D
Knot Strength Varies Widely
Most of the study of knot strength has focused on tests of a few knots. A striking fact that tests have turned up is that strength varies so much from one knot to another. As shown by both experience and numerous tests, some knots weaken a "leader" by more than 50%, while others weaken it by less than 10%.
The following table, which is extracted from various reports, compares the relative strength of a few familiar knots. A straight or un-knotted leader is assumed to have 100% strength. While the exact figures should not be trusted, the general range of strength is corroborated by other tests and by experience.
Strong Knots: Amount of original strength
Blood Knot 85?90% (Barnes); 80% (Day)
Flemish Bend 81% (Frank and Smith)
Figure Eight Loop 80% (Frank and Smith)
Double Fisherman?s 79% (Frank and Smith)
Moderately Strong Knots
Butterfly 75% (Frank and Smith)
Bowline 60% (Day)
Overhand Knot 60-65% (Luebben )
A Weak Knot
Overhand Bend (My less than 50%)
For my fishing (furled leaders for anything much warmer than 34 degrees), I've taken to tying a perfection loop in a small piece of superbraid, then nail knotting that to the bottom of my leader, and coating both knots with a bit of UV Knotsense.
I then tie a perfection loop in the end of a length of tippet and loop-to-loop it to my leader.
It may not be another's definition of elegance, but it keeps things turning over in a straight line and once you master the perfection loop, it's really easy, in any conditions.
Besides, how many trout have really tested your knot strength at any juncture above the tippet-to-fly point? Not many of mine. As long as the weakest link is closest to the fly, you'll be okay. I tie imp. clinch to the fly and have never lost a fish due to insufficient knots. Any time I break a tippet it's due to being tangled around some obstacle, and the only time a knot above the imp. clinch breaks is when the fly is dangling beyond, and the stress was on the next knot up...exactly as it should be.
1) I believe it was FlyFisherman mag, but could have been one of the others. Basically found that the Orvis tippet knot and the Ligature knot were the strongest knots in current use. The Ligature looks like a real pain.
My own fishing experience would indicate same.
2) I don't usually fish 4 foot tippets, more like 2 - so pulling a 4 foot tippet through the hole might take you 4 seconds rather than just 2.