completefisher,,, it seems to me that all you want to do is argue.... go find a new 'play pen.' :!:
You are simply using this BB to advertise yours. Pretty cheap. Love all the detail in your profile.
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completefisher,,, it seems to me that all you want to do is argue.... go find a new 'play pen.' :!:
You are simply using this BB to advertise yours. Pretty cheap. Love all the detail in your profile.
I agree that the line between the reel and the rod tip is not aerialised, therefore it should not be included in the "measured cast". It is a technicality in so much as because it is a level playing field (because everyone includes the length of the rod in the cast), but casters are actually overestimating their casting ability by adding this buffer zone on.Quote:
Originally Posted by tyeflies
Castwell, I post on numerous forums, normally UK ones because of the time difference over the Pond. I have not come on here purely to advertise my site, trust me. I can't contribute much on US based issues i.e local ones, but where they are general topics I will try and chip in where I can.Quote:
Originally Posted by J Castwell
Chris
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Originally Posted by FrankB
Dont forget that if you are 6 feet tall, and you have a 15 foot rod, and your rod ends at 21 feet -2 feet above the ground at cast, that is 19 feet of line from tip of rod to water (Not exactly, but you get my drift (no pun intended)). The bigger the rod, the more line you are going to have from rod tip way up in the air at 2 o clock position to the water.
Hi, I was at the spey casting competition in San Francisco and they had a line that you had to stand behind (0 feet) and they measured to where your yarn at the end of your leader landed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fisherpup
Now my question is, do competitions have a regulation leader length?
1) makes most sense to me since that is how it is when you are fishing.
Hi,
This all seems a bit silly, really. In a competition, a standard rod/line/leader setup is used. The "length of the cast" is measured in a straight line from a line on the ground to the point where the end of the leader lands (the yarn fly). If you step over the line, you're out, but if you cast from behind the line, you short change yourself. These are the rules of competion. The length of line you have in the air is not even the upper limit of your cast, since a good caster can shoot line from their hand. In other words, the amount of line you can "aerolise" is only loosely related to how far you can cast (the distance question).
Now, the idea of a competition is to control as much as possible, while allowing only the skill of the competiter to determine their final score. In this case, score being the distance between the line and the yarn fly. Skill, in this event, is not just how you use the rod, but also how well you stand in place, and so on.
Therefore, there are lots of ways to argue that competition casting distances are not "true" casting distances because one point in the measurment of distance is a set line on the ground. But the point of the score is not just to measure the distance, nor to measure how much line one can get in the air, etc, but to keep a level playing field.
But, if we are not talking about a competion, then in the end what one really wants to know is "If that fish is 60 ft away from me, can I cast my fly to it?" If you can, you can cast 60 ft in my books. Is that easier to do with a heavier rod? Generally yes, but so what? A 9 ft 8 weight will probably cast further than a 9ft 5 weight by someone of equal skill.
But does a longer rod of equal weight cast further? (I really do not know having never compared, or even thought to compare, rods this way).
So does a 9 ft 5 weight fast action rod cast 1/2 foot further than an 8.5 foot 5 weight fast action rod? I don't know if that is true. If the true measure of casting distance is from tip to fly, and casting distance reflects skill, then the same person casting these two rods should, on average get the same amount of line "out" from the tip, but the wool fly should land 1/5 foot closer to the angler with the 1/2 foot shorter rod.
Finally (and sorry this is so long), at what point in the cast should the position of the rod tip be measured as the "starting point" of the distance? The idea that the "rod length" makes a "false measure" because you shouldn't measure the line in the rod, implies that the rod is considered to be horizontal and pointing towards the fly.
Clearly, once the line is shooting out forward pushing the rod tip forward is not going to make the line "go further" (unless we claim we can push a piece of string). But, if the critical point in the cast when the power of rht rod is transfered to the line is at a point when the rod is still more or less vertical rather than more or less horizontal, then isn't the starting point more or less the same location on the ground (below the tip as it is in flight) regardless of rod length? (hold a pen upright in your hand, and drop a plum line to the ground, and you get the same location if you raise your hand straight up 1/2 foot). If that is true, then rod length should not be subtracted. I'm not saying rod length does not make a difference! But I suspect a 10 weight 15 foot spey rod casts much more than 6 feet more than a 10 weight 9ft rod. Rod length will factor into how far the rod can cast the line (which is why competitions keep things standard), but it is not simply a matter of based upon the length of the line.
So, in summary, casting distance in a competition is measured as the distance between the "start line" and the "wool fly", but casting distance on the river is measured from the angler to the fish plus 10 ft (because it really was a bit further now that I think of it!).
- Jeff
I measure from the tip of my rod to the tree limb my fly is wrapped around, and allow 6 inches for the wind knot.
Semper Fi!
In all FFF certified fly-casting competion the distance is measured from the line per #1. The line must also acheive its distance by remaining within two border lines to be ruled a fair cast.
Good Fishing,
Les Johnson
One point of note; Aerialise has not yet been included in Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary (11th Edition, 2003). If it keeps showing up in fly-fishing conversation however, it may be included in future editions.
Good Fishing,
Les Johnson
I don't know about the rest of you but if a fish is located 47 feet away from where I'm standing then that's a 47 foot cast... No since in getting scientific and all.
OK, you 'smart-fellas,' the water is two feet deep, you can see a 'big Brown Trout' out ahead of you. Should you cast your DRY FLY,,, three feet beyond, right at, or three feet short of where he SEEMS TO BE! Or none of these?
What if he is directly across the stream... and the water is flowing at 1kph?