Re: When do Flies become Lures
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Originally Posted by William Fitzgerald
Missouri Trout Parks have a fly only section and posts a fly as one tied on a hook with artificial material such as thread,feathers,foam etc. It includes spinners as long as it has the hackle and thread. BILL
So a Rooster Tail or squirel tail Mepps is a fly. Things get curiouser and curiouser.
"artificial material"
It would be ironic if someone got in trouble for using a fly made of natural materials-silk thread, fur tail, wool body, feather wings, and gamecock hackle.
Re: When do Flies become Lures
Any fly becomes a "Lure" The instant it hits the water!!! .
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Re: When do Flies become Lures
:D Very Intresting replies... All very informative I Thank All for their Ideas.
Jack, Glad all is well and Real Glad the fish are "Biting" Jean and I will be down.
Bill
Re: When do Flies become Lures
I've been playing with "tying" lures that worked for me in my previous life as a spin fisherman over the winter.
Here's a couple of my more recent attempts
Diver
http://www.flytyingforum.com/uploads...2fc264ce23.jpg
Hula Popper
http://www.flytyingforum.com/uploads...2fc822bc3f.jpg
Wood Chopper
http://www.flytyingforum.com/uploads...2fca928b5d.jpg
Poppers and Flatfish/Kwikfish
http://www.flytyingforum.com/uploads...6bf6c2d22e.jpg
Here's a couple earlier ones I used last fall, that caught fish for me
Tiny Torpedo
http://www.flytyingforum.com/uploads...7c09f25470.jpg
Zara Spook
http://www.flytyingforum.com/uploads...7bfaf10a0b.jpg
Floating Minnow
http://www.flytyingforum.com/uploads...7c02b2e0e0.jpg
They're all made out of foam. The only ones than I might be able to cast with ultralight are the two poppers with the Flatfish. The Hula Popper might not be heavy enough. The larger ones are destined to be fished with my 8 wgt. The smaller ones with my 5 and 6 wgt.
They're designed to match a "lure hatch". I will definitely not be fishing these in the FFO stretches in my area.
Re: When do Flies become Lures
A weighted fly leaves the fly catagory when it reaches or exceeds 1/32 oz. This is the commonly accepted weight for the smallest ultralight spinning rods. This would be a pretty heavy fly, and difficult to cast on a fly rod. Also, it is not a fly if it has any treble hooks, or more than 1 pair of regular hooks (main + stinger). It is not a fly if it contains any actual fish food (eggs, corn, dough bait, worms or other orgainic material), however this does not preclude the use of a water-soluable 'scent' that is not a part of the finished fly and added only as used.
It's just my opinion, but that is the way I would classifly them for legal purposes.
Semper Fi!
Re: When do Flies become Lures
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Originally Posted by Eight Thumbs
Flies officially become lures under five conditions:
1. More than four pairs of treble hooks.
2. Their weight makes them impossible to cast even with a #12 weight rod and matching Clouser line
3. They cause invading BASS anglers to back off their boats when you fling one in their direction.
4. Every fish in a two mile radius flees when the fly/lure hits the water
5. When every single member of FAOL agrees that it's a lure
Hope this helps clarify the distinction. 8T :D
According to 8T's definition #3, a lit stick of dynamite is a lure. Please be aware that this is NOT a legal lure in the state of Tennessee.
warm regards,
Ed
P.S. Hey Jack, I'm waiting to see a fishing report that has you catching more than Warren...
Re: When do Flies become Lures
Gigmaster
That 1/32 oz criteria would eliminate a lot of flies. Patterns that use bead chain, lead dumbell eyes, wraps of heavy lead, including Clousers, crayfish patterns, large stonefly patterns, large salmon flies tied on a double hook and woolly buggers.
Quite a few saltwater patterns, because of weight add or the size. A ten inch bunker pattern tied on an size 8/0 or 10/0 hook weighs a lot more than 1/32 oz.
The treble hook is a good point, but a lot of Tube flies use a treble hook, we here in the states modify the patterns and use a single hook.
Just playing devil's advocate.
Re: When do Flies become Lures
My feeling on it is a fly is hand made out of natural or synthetic material and thread on a hook(weight optional)
A lure, machine made or a mold with hooks added.
A fly is a lure, and the word Fly or Lure , or bait is the type of fishing, not the pole or rod or line, or reel.
If you are throwing a haresear out with a spinning outfit, you are fishing a fly, therefore you are fly fishing, if you through a worm out with fly line and a fly rod and reel you are bait fishing
Think about it :D
Re: When do Flies become Lures
What about hand tied jigs????????????????????
I know a few people who think a jig is a jig no matter how heavy or light it is. In other words a fly tied on a jig head is a jig not a fly even if it is only an 1/128 oz and less.
Re: When do Flies become Lures
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Originally Posted by Micropteris
What about hand tied jigs????????????????????
I know a few people who think a jig is a jig no matter how heavy or light it is. In other words a fly tied on a jig head is a jig not a fly even if it is only an 1/128 oz and less.
Like I said, Molded. Isn't the lead head molded on a jig, then hair or feather tied on that. A fly would be lead or tungsten hand wrapped around the hook then hair or feather, or etc.