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Capt Paul Darby I see you and other are misinformed about a certified casting instructor.It`s not a title that they wave at everyone,in fact I bet 6 out of our 100 club members know it. If you want the best help they are willing to teach anythng froma 3 wt to a 14 foot spey rod. I learned the hard way years before you were no doubt born by my father. I have seen my friends spend many hours teaching children and adults. Have you ever taken time to teach??? They do pay a for the testing,some don`t pass. AS for the TU I didn`t want to bring up the fact that they aren`t a fly fishing organizaton but I see one one did that for me. The FFF is the only organized advocate for fly fishers worldwide.
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I stayed out of this for a reason, but Mr. Fitzgerald, you managed to get me into it anyway. It's that same attitude you just demonstrated that keeps hundreds away from a group that could otherwise lure folks with talent in. Your comment: "Have you ever taken time to teach???" demonstrates exactly what deters so many of us from the FFF and especially its certified casting program. Capt. Paul Darby has taken the time to teach many people from all walks of life. When a well known rod designer recently decided that he should brush up on his long casting skills, did he call you or the FFF to do the job? No! He called Capt. Darby because he knew Paul's reputation as an instructor and he also knew he would get what he wanted without the overlay of ego so many "certified" instructors dish out.
You don't know Paul, but damn if you didn't throw a rock anyway. Glad you were able to point out your attitude so well.
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Well, looks like the nuts are off the buggy wheel again. I am not going to comment again on FFF, but I do know hundreds of TU Members who are under the mistaken idea that their group is a fly fishing group. Since I was the first female member of Trout Unlimited, in the first organized TU Chapter, Mershon Chapter, Saginaw Michigan, I can tell you the founders of TU founded it to protect the fishery. Gosh, maybe we were/are all fly fishers.
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LadyFisher, Publisher of
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In light of your answer Wiiiam, I have only one gift left to offer, my shoes.
Capt. Paul Darby
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I don't know a whole lot about FFF. However, TU is an excellent organization. They are not specifically a fly fishing group - but are more interested in conservation specific issues. I would highly recommend taking a look at their web site: [url=http://www.tu.org:e427e]www.tu.org[/url:e427e]
Its well worth your time.
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Oh well, here goes nothin'
As a member of TU, I want to state that TU is an organization dedicated to preserving Trout and their habitat. It so happens that in my chapter everyone I know is a fly fisher and we have a fly tying session prior to the chapter meetings, give tying classes and have guest speakers talk about fishing. What we do for work is promote Salmon restoration in the CT. River, try to influence policy concerning Trout habitat and do stream and river restoration projects in conjuction with other organizations. Those projects involve physical labor. The focus of what we do is the restoration and habitat work. Just so happens that almost all of us fish. Thats probably true of all TU chapters. Know of a non-flyfisher that wants to get active in TU. They'll be welcomed with open arms.
As for FFF, they don't exist in my area or if they do they are "below the radar screen".
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First I would like to appolaize to the few that I may of offended. It seems the world "Certified" is offensive and rubs one the wrong way. Until they know what it stands for and the hundreds of known ffishers that are qualified I feel they shouldn`t comment. Don`t know of any that use it to boost their ego. My opinion!!!
JED- As for the salmon in the Conn River they would have a hard time going over the Holyoke dam if it wasn`t for the water lift my dad company installed. Your statement about FFF clubs in NE wasn`t correct--8 in Mass 3 in Conn, and 2 in NH. Many more TU clubs
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Thank your dad for me. That and the Ladder in Turner Falls make this a possibiility. Try fishing below the Holyoke dam sometime for Shad. They are great fun on a fly rod. Last year I was glad I had to stop fishing at noon. I was developing Carpel Tunnel Syndrom from reeling in so many fish ;-)
If not a single salmon returns, the Salmon Restoration Project is still a success for all of the school children that are involved in it and for the conservation they learn. While I am sure there are FFF's in New England and MA, there might even be one in my town, but I never hear about them or what they do. They sure are keeping out of site in my part of the state.
Jed
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I was a Senior Instructor in the US Army and one of the few NCO Course Managers of MOS Training. My motto was, "Student hasn't learned, the Teacher hasn't taugth!" Seen many people who went thru classes on how to properly teach, and if they did not have the gift, all the schooling in the world would not make them a great teacher. Either you got it, or you don't.
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Parnelli knows what he's talking about. Teaching is God given and if you don't have a passion for it, you won't get your points accross. I've been a TU member since 1992 and an FFF member since 1994. I'm now a TU life member and soon to be a FFF life member. The point is, we need more members of all these organizations, not less. Join them all, get off you *** and do something for the fish, the inviornment, the water, the rivers and streams, and yourself, and stop *****ing about this and that. It's counter productive and stupid. Opinions are like *******s, everybody has one. GET IT? Better known as, YOU DIG? m.j.romero p.s. my wife failed the FFF cretification test twice, not because her casting wasn't adaquate, but because her English isn't that hot. So what, she's still teaching and enjoying it, and getting paid for it sometimes. You don't need the FFF for that.
I teach and love it and get paid for it, and i do it for free also. And, i've never even thought about FFF certification, who needs it!
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mark j. romero
M&M Fly Fishing
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