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F'fool,
Some good answers here.
Me, I've always gone by the feel too but in each case it goes that a good forward cast "begins" with a good back cast. It just has to be.
By that I mean that if you notice your rod tip on that back cast, the instant (??) you see it "load"...eg bend...proceed with the forward cast.
And as you prolly already know, it's that timing thing. You can read all you want and listen to each of us here but you have to do it and "feel" it load....
And you will! Keep it fun!
And Mr Castwell, that one liner that you put onboard here is one of the best pieces of info anyone practicing casting can do to remember....Sump'n about "...keeeping thy back cast uppeth!"
I cast most every week in the nearby open City Hall yard and I repeat that mentally a lot! I need to. I love the practice on both the graphites and bamboo's!
Good luck fishin fool and keep it fun!
Tomorrow we're leaving for a 2week trip near Canada FFing for muskies. Got 3 thus far. If I get one over 40" I"ll post her pic. at the end of the month.
Jeremy.
[This message has been edited by Jeremy (edited 08 July 2005).]
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*chuckle*
I will fly into the face of conventional wisdom, and the previous posters, and will state that if you wait until the backcast has unrolled completely before you _start_ your forward stroke, you will be too late.
The casting movements smoothly blend into one another, and if one were to film/video a competent caster, and view the footage in slomo one will see that there is absolutely no pause between the unrolling of forward (or backward) casting loop and the their transition into the opposite direction movement. To achieve this the actual stroke commences fractionally prior the full unroll.
Cheers,
Hans W
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Spot on Hans, you've obviously been peeking.
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JC,
As Sherlock was overheard to comment:
Elementary, my dear Watson, elementary...
Cheers,
Hans W
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JC,
Assuming you are asking (me?) and soliciting a serious response:
When I teach casting, looking back over shoulder never comes into it.
Too many irregularities may creep into posture and stroke, which in turn are much harder to iron back out.
Cheers,
Hans W
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Hans,
Thanx, ... I tried NOT looking back and see the "benefits".
I guess if you ever see me cast,. ... you'd just shrug your shoulders, smile and say, ... "Well, I suppose you are having fun".
I'm not elegant, ... I DO cast far when and where it's needed. ... BUT I do have a heck of a lot of fun. http://www.flyanglersonline.com/bb/wink.gif
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The comment that a good forward cast begins with a good back cast is based on the physics of the line being the same weight and having to travel with the same energy to the same distance in both directions. In our casting club I find many (novices esp.) have lazy back-casts (because in every other 'throwing' motion they have ever used, the 'cocking' of the arm can be slow. If you back-cast with the same energy as on the fore-cast, with the same hard stop, and your casting plane is between 10:00 and 1:00 then your back-cast WILL be 'upeth'. And you will have provided enough energy to the line that you will feel the rod load on the back-cast which will trigger the fore-cast.
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I always "quarter" my self so I can observe my back cast...so I know what tree my fly lands in....heh heh
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Han's is correct. To answer fishin fool's original post, you do NOT let the line completly straighten out behind you. Start the forwad cast as soon as your rod has finished unloading. (Remember your rod must ALLWAYS be in a constant state of loading and unloading.)If you wait until the line has straightened then your rod tip has lost it's load. When this happens the rod will return to it's natural shape(straight) and the tip will rise above the line causing a tailing loop. Now, when you try to start your forwoad cast with an unloaded rod you can also get "shock" exagerating the tailing loop.