glad i could help Gringo
Jordan
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glad i could help Gringo
Jordan
Do a search for paraloop method..might be the answer your looking for...there is an excellent book on the subject as well.
Gringo
Try this fly.
http://globalflyfisher.com/patterns/janemerger/
fishbum
I read this thread just before retiring for the night and it was the first thing I thought of this morning - because I am puzzled by the lack of success your are having. I have great success fishing emergers and seldom use true dry flies anymore (did the fish ever think our dry flies were duns or since they often have the bodies and tails in the film were they always perceived as emergers anyway?). The more emerger
patterns I see the more I think mayfly and caddis emergers look the same to the fish.
Most of the time I use a Usual – which can be pulled under and pops up to the surface again - but have also had success with a Vulnerable Caddis. - I really prefer rabbit foot to most other materials for wings, polypro works less well than rabbit foot for me (for the same amount of material).
I find the emergers tied with foam wing cases lack movement and don't float well - although it is good for wing posts on parachutes. The CDC and Elk (or rabbit) looks like a good emerger, but I haven't had success myself. CDC would look good for the legs/hackle on a Vulnerable Caddis or a Quigley Cripple
The trick I think is to apply floatant to the wing material and put saliva on the butt. The result is a perfect float on the first cast.
Here are some links for your perusal.
http://keeptying.8m.com/vulnerable_caddis.jpg
http://keeptying.8m.com/sparkle_dun_mike_weaver.jpg
http://flyangler.ca/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=141&Item id=32
http://www.danica.com/flytier/rwyatt/rwyatt.htm
http://www.theflystop.com/store-cid-8-emergers-cripples-.html
Is your result something like a Quigley Cripple?
http://www.theflystop.com/store-page-products_detail-pid-74-emergers-cripples-.html
I am intersted in a pic of your prototype,
Cheers,
Greg
OK I hope I have done this correctly, I had some trouble with the focus but if this link works it is the best I could do:
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...ara/possum.jpg
Woops - a bit large, sorry guys, don't know how to reduce that.
Anyway the main key to this fly is (to quote Neil Grose) "it just exudes mayflyness" and my modest modifications to it are not so it looks nice but floats exactly like an emerging dun, first cast, and for a while when dunked. That is, bum below the surface at 45 degrees.
Tail is a small bunch of crinkly possum hairs from the base of the tail; abdo is Tiewell Super Possum (dark brown;) thorax is a tiny polystyrene bead with the same dubbing wound and glued over the top; wingcase is another generous clump of darker possum fur stretched over the top with the ends facing forward and then a brown or furnace hackle tied in "humpy" style. Thread was 8/0 camel.
Thanks for your help guys, hope you like it.
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Gringo,
Cracking fly. Did that bit of hackle correct the floating position problem?
Looks like a real trout treat. Great photo too.
Nice looking fly! :)
a paranymph maybe the ticket. The Deer hair post/wing case, plus the hackle floats the top half of the bug while soft tail fibers and wire drop the bum below the waters surface. The deer post is at about 45 degrees from vertical so the body, when is resting on the hackle ,will be at an angle below the surface.
http://www.troutflies.com/Merchant2/...0009/N2081.jpg
Ron, yes, perfectly; had to drop the copper rib though. Now it is awsome, the footprint on the water is fabulous, just like real wing material. The tail mimics a shred of discarded husk and the "hump" and hackle with the wing are great as emerging wingbuds. It floats forever at 45 degrees angle with the back of the hump submerged and the rest of it "struggling" in the surface tension.
Greg H, sorry to have overlooked your contribution but I appreciated your input. I had a look at your links, all but a couple I could not access (the keep tying ones.) I am familiar with most of those flies and yes, my end result is I think much like the Quigley Cripple you mentioned. My problem with most of those is not the way they look but the way they actually float - try some in a test tank and you will see what I mean I am sure.
Harry - that looks like a nice fly too, I'd love to give it a float.
For some reason I have always had trouble catching trout that are taking emergers, and these should be the easiest shouldn't they? A nondescript fly that doesn't have to be an exact replication of anything really as the colours are as drab as my bank balance; the tail, shuck and wings can be almost anything as the real thing will always present differently on the water; and trout love to grab them while they are stuck there drying. Should be easy.
I tried all the CDC duns and deer hairs, shaving brushes and so on, but I miss as many fish as I get. Why? The only reason I can possibly think of is the way they float, and many of the emergers I have been fishing float wrong - just plain ol' wrong! Get down in the water and have a real close look and behold - they float too low, too high, on the side, wrong angle, whatever.
I can't fish right now because it is winter here, but the dozen or so flies that have been bobbing around in my kitchen test tank for the last day or two are still doing the perfect emerger thing - maybe one will even hatch soon!
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