bottom line... family and/or personal problems should remain just that and not become problems for someone else.
Now let's all go fishin'
Will
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bottom line... family and/or personal problems should remain just that and not become problems for someone else.
Now let's all go fishin'
Will
You guys haven't a clue about the lad you are discussing,, let alone his character or honor. This thread really drives home just how ridiculous BB's really are. You all sound pretty sad boys,, keep on saving souls :roll:
Salmon Chaser
Salmon Chaser,
You are correct in the assumption that we can't weigh this individual's soul or measure the content of his character. I'm sure Jamie is a very nice person and is someone we would enjoy sharing a stream with if we had the chance to meet in person. We can, however, judge his own description of his business practices as disorganized and lackadaisical. I believe that poor business management has been the only negative thing said about Jamie.
You, on the other hand, seem more than ready to impugn the soul and character of everyone who has commented on this situation. What's your motivation for your sweeping condemnation of seven or eight people that you don't know at all? 8T
If a person is in a business, he or she has a responsibility to his or her clients and customers. As has been previously stated, there are many and varied means of contacting folks. Baring horrific or extraordinary circumstances excuses and reasons don't count. Blaming the problem on the customer is unaccountable.
Thank you Salmon Chaser. I read this thread and the other, but I still don't know either member and it's really none of my business. That said, I don't know how anyone can pass judgement on another just from hearing a story and responding to the situation.
I know, you all weren't passing judgement, just stating your 2 cents. What you beleive character is, what good business is, BLAH BLAH BLAH.
This is a situation where two individuals had a misunderstanding of some sort. That is TWO persons. There was no need for this ever to be brought up in the BB, and no need for anyone think they know the story and judge the people involved.
I don't understand the problem here...
It's simple...your handshake should be worth more than your signature...think about that...if you sign something you agree to the written terms and the loop holes ...no loop holes if I shake your hand...I know what I agreed to...on this board we are dealing with handshakes...you have my word...what can I value more?
or you
Z says: "(You) sold me on a fly last year. He cashed my check in July. I never saw the fly."
You say: "A few days after receiving the check from Z, my family & I made the decision to have our phone/cable/internet disconnected for a period... During this time, I could not send out a few orders I had received, including Z's. With no phone, or internet, I had no way to contact anyone. Starting in early December, I was again able to get the Net back, and informed my customers as to my situation. The week of Dec. 7th, I was able to send out orders again, including z's fly."
So, we're left to assume that you knew you had taken Z's money in July, you had his name and address from July until December, and then you finally decided to send his fly to him 6 months late with no attempts to communication with him in the interim?
Why not mail the fly in July? Jamie, it sure sounds as if you could have done yourself better.
John
My daddy always said; "A man is only as good as his word". Plain and simple... isn't it?
The only judging going on around here is from the couple of fellas who chastised all other commentators for judging. I think my initial post was pretty darned clear about the motives and framework of my posts. Every discussion of ethics and character is NOT "judging." If you FEEL judged, it is likely because you know you don't measure up to the commonly held standards being discussed. That's on YOU, not the people discussing the standards. The old, "If the shoe fits, wear it," axiom applies.
And anyone willing to post about such things is OBVIOUSLY holding themselves to that standard IN PUBLIC. There is nothing hypocritical or judgmental about that. I stated MY standards and how I try to conduct myself. If you can't deal with that, that would be YOUR problem.
RW here,
I think this is about enough of impugning people's character on the world-wide web. It's all apples and oranges and it was nasty from the beginning. Z has stated his case and Mcmutt has stated his. It should have all been done privately. Z shouldn't have aired the dirty laundry and as much as called mutt a crook in public, and mcmutt ( considering the time involved) should have gone to a library or a neighbors and private messaged, or even just sent a postcard, to folks he owed the product too and explained the situation. Either way, taking sides and keeping the pot stirred is not what this website is all about.
Later, RW