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Very recently I got Al Beatty's DVD [comes in VHS too] on rotary tying and I highly recommend it ....there are some really neat methods he uses and it will answer the questions you asked...reasonable price and he's really fair with the shipping cost....
Also it helped me understand what he was talking about in the thread where we got him to tell us about his new vise.
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After tying for centuries on a Zuron or Angler's Roost Vise, (remember that one old timers?); I bought a rotary.
I ditto all the above comments and add that it has made the overall tying experience more enjoyable to the point where I can literally tie all day if I had the time. I find that rotating the fly to different positions can make certain processes easier than the standard position. Palmering hackle and winding ribbing or any material is way easier and my flies look better. I still wind my dubbing the old fashioned way.
The only thing that took some getting used to was the straight nature of the vise as opposed to the slanting design of an "A" style vise. At times I feel like my hand is is the way, especially when tailing a tiny dry but since I have a Renzetti Master; I can reposition the jaw head to create more clearance when I need it.
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Presentation, is the key to the rotary vise.
To be able to align the fly for proper sight lines, when affixing material onto the hook. To be able to rotate the hook, so you can proper see the other side, instead of tying blindly or having to peer over the top of the fly to see if you did the other side correctly.
Ribbing is easier, and more uniform with a rotary.
Wings are centered on top of the fly, and aligned with the axis of the hook shank.
Placement of Cheeks is easier with the fly on its side, so the cheeks are aligned with the wing.
Collars as well as laying Floss or Chenille, is simple with a rotary, no more twisting of the material, as it is applied.
Just the fact that you can see any part of the fly properly, when tying is the greatest aspect of the rotary vise.
~Parnelli
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I just got a REnzetti Traveler for Christmas. I am still getting used to tying with it.
I was just tying a dozen pike flies that required the hook shank to have Larva lace wrapped up the entire length. I totally forgot that I could use the rotary feature until I had already done a couple. I finished the remaining ten in the same amount of time that it took me to do the first two.
The rotary is great, but it does take a little getting used to.
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Here are the features I like:
1) after tying in a parachute post, angle the post toward you and down a bit. Makes it so easy to apply the supporting wraps around the base of the post.
2) head cement applied on all sides
3) When laying down the base of thread, I turn the hook point up. The wrapping action of my right hand is made easier with little liklihood of nicking the hook point.
4) photographing from different angles is easier.
5) applying legs on the far side of the fly (like in a rubber legged beetle) is easier because I can turn the fly upside down.
6) applying a beard is easier because I can turn the hook upside down.
7) when I tie off I pull the thread away from the fly (and away from me). I turn the fly 180* so I can now see the knot that was created on the far side of the fly and snip with scissor. I then rotate so the know is facing up and apply head cement. It all takes nano-seconds.
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Peter F
www.fishingwithflies.com
pfrailey@hotmail.com
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Like many others above have said, I use my rotary vise (Renzetti Traveler) for everything except rotary-style tying. It is just nice to be able to turn the fly over to look at the other side, apply head cement, etc. I have never felt the need or desire to do rotary tying.
[This message has been edited by gadabout (edited 15 February 2005).]
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Ditto the above.
We also use ours to apply dubbing to wire and mono thread. We also use ours to "bullit proof" peacock hurl and hackle for some applications. We also use ours for making dubbing "brushes".
We have had ours for about 10 years and we are STILL learning. Hmmm.....guess maybe that ain't saying much as to our mental capacities, huh? Roflol!
.....lee s.
PS - It's a Nor-vise.
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PS - Keep the Dan-vise. :-)
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Hi Loren,
When you get the DBD check out making peacock chenille and spinning deer hair using the rotating function of the vise. Take care & ...
Tight Lines - Al Beatty [url=http://www.btsflyfishing.com:f72b0]www.btsflyfishing.com[/url:f72b0]
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simple- CLOUSERS!
Helps alot when using any form of dubbing brush and also when palmering marabou for popsicle type flies.