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I have acquired a Roots dubbing machine that is used to make dubbing strands on copper or stainless wire. The unit uses "cellire varnish" as the adhesive to bond the dubbing maerial to the wire core.
I have done a search for cellire varnish and it appears that the name is used mostly in the UK. Can anyone help me with a reference to what this varnish might be called in North America. The UK seems to use it a lot for head cement, etc.
Thanks.
Jim
It is also sold as Cellire here, although on this side of the pond it seems (like Pro Lak) to be more readily available in Canada.
If you need a source, contact me offline and I'll be happy to help you.
CD
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Chris Del Plato
Long Valley, NJ
[This message has been edited by streamertyer (edited 31 March 2005).]
Jim,
Hunters Angling Supplies is one source in the USA.
Cheers,
Hans W
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Bryant Freeman at Eskape Anglers has some.
You can contact him through his website at [url=http://www.salmonflies.com:15d18]www.salmonflies.com[/url:15d18]
I get my Cellire from him instead of bringing it in from the UK myself.
Regards
Jamie
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[This message has been edited by Jamie Caddick (edited 31 March 2005).]
Hey Barfly:
Not to throw a wrench in the works, and I openly admit, I've never used Cellaire. But I have some advice if you ever plan to use Cellaire as head cement. I bought Black Pro Lak Head Cement (marketed by Serge Boulard, Inc.) in Quebec years ago. I bought it at Grandriver Troutfitters in Fergus, Ontario, (on the Grand River).
At the time I was visiting my good friend Rick Whorwood, taking private group salmon fly tying classes that Rick set up at his house with Rob Solo, NF, and then the year following, with Bob Veverka of VT. Rob Solo introduced me to Pro Lak.
I ended up using the black Pro Lak for every black fly head in the more than 700 flies I tied for the book Forgotten Flies (April 2000) published by Complete Sportsman.
In the years following the release of Forgotten Flies, at shows fellow fly tiers would comment, "I like your heads, so smooth and shiny, etc." Then they ask me, "What kind of head cement did you use on those flies."
"Black Pro Lak," I replied. Some never heard of it, some did. I began to bring it into the states on occasional return trips from Canada, and sold it at the Fly Fishing Shows in the northeast where I was a demo tier.
I want to relate to you all on this thread, the testimonies of two fly tiers in particular. I think y'all might just know who they are. Mike Martinek and Charles Chute. Both former users of Cellaire, they both tried Pro Lak, both black and clear, and have long since abandoned their Cellaire. Their reasons:
Pro Lak dries:
1) Faster
2) Harder
and tack free in less than 30 minutes. Can be recoated in an hour. It also remains hard under the glass of Riker mounts, whereas Cellaire (so I'm told because remember I've never used the stuff)
remains somewhat soft (comparatively) and will eventually yield a flat spot on the fly head where it presses against the glass.
Finally if you google Rick Whorwood,you can find plenty of sites with information on him. He recently was asked to tie the Jock Scott for Canada's new series of fishing fly postage stamps. He's an excellent salmon fly tyer, master of both the Ron Alcott style and Bob Veverka style of fly.
Check it out.
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Don,
Eh... while your varnish info is great stuff for those interested in finishing fly heads to a shiny coat, the original question was on suitable material to use with a Roots dubbing brush machine. Black cement as you describe would hardly be the suitable stuff for the purpose http://www.flyanglersonline.com/bb/wink.gif
I am not familiar enough with the clear Pro Lak to judge whether it would work on the Roots dubbing brush contraption. The Cellire works due to its quite tacky nature.
Cheers,
Hans W
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[This message has been edited by Hans Weilenmann (edited 31 March 2005).]
Don,
Pro Lak is indeed a product marketed by Serge Boulard Inc. and is carried by virtually every fly shop in Canada. I find the clear to be a far superior product than the black. It doesn't thicken up near as quick in the bottle and is much easier to clean up the spills that occur with two small kids in the house.
When it comes to heads on the salmon flies or streamers however i tend to use Cellire. I find the gloss to be much deeper with fewer coats. Be sure to use the " # 1 Extra Clear Fine ", the Cellire that a lot of shops carry is a "heavier" product and is quite thick and a pain in the rear to use.
To check out a selection of salmon flies tied for their fishability rather than for their exagerated proportions for display then i encourage people to check out Bryant Freemans site. A master of the Traditional Style of salmon flies with about 50 yrs experience and still going strong. He just recently sold over 300 of his flies to a major financial institution that uses them for bonuses.
Regards,
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Jamie
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[This message has been edited by Jamie Caddick (edited 31 March 2005).]
Yeah, Rick Whorwood knows Bryant Freeman. Hans, I did say in my second sentence "...if you ever plan to use Cellaire as head cement." I know nothing about the dubbing twister and the needs of cement for that. My apologies, but I didn't pretend to know about that. The gist of my post was on Pro Lak as head cement. (-:
Jamie, I do have to add thinner to my Black Pro Lak, fairly often, but I don't see that as a problem. The secret to making head cement behave is keeping it at the proper consistency - not too thick, not too thin - just right, (sounds like a fairy tale) that makes it "self-leveling."
It just so happens that I am completely pleased with Pro Lak and I have absolutely no desire to try anything else. After all, been using the stuff for like ten years. You can teach an old dog new tricks, but the old dog has to WANT to learn. <G> (-:
Tight threads guys. I gotta take the garbage up to the top of my driveway. It's about the time of year when the bear will be back bothering it. Unless someone shot him last fall during bear season...