What in the world would one use a 000 wt rod and line for? I cannot think of even warm water blue gills that would not over stress this. What is it for? (People w/ more money than sense?)
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What in the world would one use a 000 wt rod and line for? I cannot think of even warm water blue gills that would not over stress this. What is it for? (People w/ more money than sense?)
If yours was not a rhetorical question then let me attempt an answer. As a fellow Texan I regularly fish a 00 wt TXL, 1 wt Orvis, 2 wt Scott, and 3 wt Sage LL, and love them all.
As you can see from the photo a nice 3lb bass did *not* overly stress a 00 wt TXL. If you think about it for a moment you may realize that the weak point in your tackle is usually the tippet and not the rod. As long as the breaking point of your tippet is lower than the breaking point of your rod you're okay and a lighter weight rod can cushion a 5X tippet as well or better than a heavier rod.
The downside to a 00 (or 000) wt is the size of the fly you can cast. If you're fishing for bass this can be a big hurdle but if you're fishing for trout or bream then it's usually not a problem. High winds can also be a problem.
The upside is that they're an absolute pleasure to cast, can place a fly very lightly, make medium to smallish fish even more fun, and they're light weight so you can swing one all day without wearing yourself out.
The bass below was taken on a size 14 hair hackle dry and landed in less than 2 minutes. But please, don't take my word for it--find someone who has actually *fished* one of these rods and talk to them or better yet--have them take you out to try it. Listening to a bunch of guys who have never fished one--regardless of how long they've been fishing--is not the way to learn the capabilities of any rod.
As for price--who can justify the price of *any* premium flyrod? And why try? This isn't a serious endeavor regardless of what you might read. Other than having a good time is there really any point to what we're doing here? ;)
Best regards,
Jerry
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BTW, these rods are a blast with big chunky bream too!
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Hi Jerry......you forgot the address.......http://ultralightflyfishing.yuku.com/directory
This is an Orvis Trident TL 8' 1wt.
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Jim
Mark,
For some reason many anglers think that the amount of stress applied to a rod is the function of the size or type of fish you are catching.
This isn't true. It's the ANGLER that decides how much stress gets applied to a rod. The angler chooses the tippet strength. the angler chooses the angle he holds the rod at while fighting a fish (perhaps the most overlooked and most important aspect of applying pressure to a fish). The angler chooses the drag setting on the reel (or how much pressure he applies by hand).
All the fish, any fish, does is pull. You and I have all the 'control' over how hard we pull back.
AND, the 'maximum' amount of pull that can be applied by US is decided by the TIPPET strength (given that this is, as it should ALWAYS be, the 'weak link'). A six weight rod can't apply any more pressure to a fish than a 3 wt. rod, given equal tippet stregth. This is physics. Fact, not opinion.
As Jerry pointed out, the 'limitations' imposed by ultralight fly rods are factors involving the CAST, fly size and wind considerations, mainly. Not about fighting and landing fish.
Buddy
It is all about the fisherman. I learned that I still have a ways to go on how to use my 3wt to land a 30" bow :shock: but managed this fat little spot on it with no problem. It only required a tiny bit of drag off the Okuma. However, the casting part would annoy me. I was casting a heavy bugger of my own design (see pic, not saying I was the 1st to tie it) and am certain I couldn't have done it with a rod much smaller in weight. I find I don't need less than a 3wt but I would own some others for the purposes of casting tiny flies to big gills if I could afford them. Thanks for the topic by the way. I was really proud of this recent catch and am glad to have the opportunity to show it off. Nice fish guys.
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I would have to venture out on a limb that using a 1wt - 000wt rod with 3-4x tippet is no more stressful than using a 6wt - 7wt rod with 5-6x tippet that is so common out west. I dont know, bashing ultra light stuff doesn't seem justified to me.
OK, I too like to fish my 1 wt for blue gill. I understand that the tippet is the weakest part of the system. What tippet do y'all use with 0 or 00 or 000? Would you use like 7 to 9X? And since the fisherman puts the stress on the rod, what about fighting fish that want to take you into weeds, dead falls, etc. That type of fishing is probably not the province of the lighter weights, is it? Not trying to be argumentative, trying to understand.
JDubb,
Excellent! You an' I could get along very well!!
I typically fish a 4wt 'boo for my trout (I have a 7'6" 3wt...nice rod!) but before bamboo I fished (and still do) a 1,2 and 3wt Sage SPL.
One of the best fights of my life involved a 6 plus lb LM bass that hit a foam bug when I was fishing for sunnies in the weeds!
Light line rods are a blast! They make my little 11"-13" trout worthwhile.
Jeremy.
Here is a link to a good article on ultralight rods you might find interesting.
Well I am new to this forum so first off hi everybody. I fish my 3WT, 1WT, and 000WT rods 95-98% of the time. I do own and fish larger rods I just prefer to fish my ultra light stuff. Of the 95-98% of the time most of the time I am throwing my 000WT.
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Since others have already covers the basics of ultra light fly fishing I will keep my post short and only answer your tippet question. When you ask "what tippet do you use?" I would answer for me it depends on what I am fishing for and where I am fishing.
When I am fishing rivers like this one for fish like these. I normally use a 4X leader with 4 and 5X tippet. Normally on this river I am nymphing under an indicator. These are the average fish that you can expect to find here.
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Now don't get me wrong while I like rivers like this "blue ribbon" fisheries are not my preferred waters. I prefer to hike into small backcountry creeks and fish for the wild trout there. A lot of these fish are quite a bit smaller than on the local tail waters so when fishing for them the 000WT make the experience quite enjoyable.
When I fish my preferred waters I will usually use a 5 or 6X leader with 6 or 7X tippet. On these waters I am fishing 100% dry flies. Yes the fish are smaller but they are quite feisty.
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I don't fish my 000Wt because I have money to burn or because I think I am special. I fish it because out of all the different rods I have tried it is the one that I enjoy the most. Would I use it when I go fish for salmon or steelhead? No of course not, but for the type of fishing that I do most of the time it (in my opinion) is the best rod.